Dont Worry Thief, My Intellect Has Thought Of Everything, Even The Things It Hasn't Considered. ESPECIALLY Those Things, In Fact. We've Locked Kary In An Inescapable Prison Where She Shall Remain Until Such Time That We Are Powerful Enough To Defeat Her. Quite Simple.
Magus is neither of these things. He is simply trying to find happiness, as many are. In his case, Lavos is the source of his unhappiness. So he seeks to destroy Lavos. Also his sister, the only person he shows any coherent bond with, is lost. So Magus seeks her. He is simply trying to rebuild a stable life.
I dunno about that. Happiness for Magus I don't even think can occur in the true sense. Sure, he can feel happy, but the life he lived I don't think that want of happiness is the thing that is driving him.
A semblance of happiness. Why else does he so despereately want to destroy Lavos? And afterward, seek his sister. He probably feels lost on the whole thing. Just plain lost over everything that has happened to him. So much tragedy at such a young age...but then he finds out that there's a way at least a little bit of the way back. To a better life. Maybe at first it was just revenge, but the Magus after the fall of Zeal. The one who goes with you to kill Lavos and then afterward to find Schala. He wants his life back. And to understand these things that happened. In his mind, only Schala, his sister and the person who gave him so much over the years, will give him peace.
i'm split between the two of you. i believe magus is searching for happiness, and trying to piece together a life that was destroyed by lavos. however, because his heart has become so calloused, i don't believe he will ever find the happiness he seeks. maybe reuniting with his sister would break that wall, but that's his only hope and thus his only desire.
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Yet I would say that Magus is not cold blooded. After being around two influences that were however he tries to pretend he is. He actually only killed in self
defense every time we see him. He does not even Finnish Glenn off. Its almost like he has to prove hes not a wimp. From back in the days, when he was a kid
always hiding behind Schala.
Edit: "He kinda was a a kid aways hiding behind Schala" fixed of errors to "From back in the days, when he was a kid always hiding behind
Schala."
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Looking back, I'd say Magus probably fits around Lawful Neutral. His intentions are probably good, although it seems more about revenge and vengeance than
actually stopping Lavos for the good of the world.
In TVTropes terms, I'd label him a Heroic Sociopath Knight Templar with a Dead Little Sister.
Corsair5 wrote:
Looking back, I'd say Magus probably fits around Lawful Neutral. His intentions are probably good, although it seems more about revenge and vengeance
than actually stopping Lavos for the good of the world.
I can see that, however I always seen him as the Chaotic Neutral that in the time of need rose to the status of Hero and helped save the world. He wanted hes
revenge but it did not stop his joining the side of good, in the end.
Edit: But *Shhhh* do not tell any one, some one might think hes gone soft.
He is none of those things. He is too cocky and proud for his own good. He has the means to defend himself most of the time, and while what we actually see
does not depict him as wicked as the humans in the story seem to think he is, we know that if he's messed with, he can open a can of whoop-ass. He is
cocky, arrogant, proud, powerful, vengeful, dark, introverted, and somewhat mysterious.
Regardless of what happened in between arriving in 600 AD and becoming the king of the mystics, consider this: when he was young, he possessed great power, but
everybody said he possessed no magical ability whatsoever because he refused to use Lavos's power. He was the younger child, the one who, while might not
be as burdened with responsibility, is equally if not more so burdened by the fact that he's ignored/overlooked, not listened to. I'm sure he tried
warning his mother(and possibly father) about the dangers of using Lavos's power, but nobody listened to him. Afterall, what could he possibly know?
he's just a dumb kid, right?
When the Mystics find him, at some point in time he finds acceptance with them. Obviously, they made him their damn king. I can see several reasons for his
actions against Glenn and the rest of Guardia. First of all, who even started the war, and why was it started? We never know. The mystics may have been
oppressed by the humans. Maybe they got sick of it and started a revolution. Maybe the humans simply saw them as a threat and went Dubya on the Mystics with a
pre-emptive strike. who knows? Either way, he needed to show the people and the mystics that he was a force to be reckoned with. He might have had to mess with
Frog to show his loyalty to the cause of the Mystics. Maybe he was trying to get the Masamune himself in hopes to defeat Lavos, since he knew that it was made
of dreamstone, just like the pendant and Mammon Machine. Remember how he throws off his hood and attacks with a red rod of some sort, only to discover that it
has no effect? Some have theorized that it was a staff of dreamstone. As for why he didn't pursue it any further after the encounter? Well, my guess is he
figured because the Masamune was broken, it was of no use to him, either because it was simply a weak weapon, or without Melchior around, nobody could repair
it.
He finds that by appearing to hate humans, he gains acceptance and loyalty(and appears loyal to their cause) from the Mystics. Also, if he started the war, it
might have been just to distract the Mystics so he could summon and destroy Lavos. He really doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about the war or the
Mystics at all. Ozzie even specifically says they were used by Magus.
He wants revenge, yes, but he wants his sister back. That shows that he has a soft side. He wants things to be as close to normal as they can be. He
doesn't care about his mother anymore because he realizes she was way too far gone long ago. The one person who truly understood and cared about him, his
sister, has been taken away from him. He wants her back. He wants to know that she's alright. I don't blame him one bit. While he might have stepped on
people, I don't think he always had a choice.
And as far as telling the Mystics about Lavos... Maybe when he started trying to research and find out how he could possibly make Lavos appear, they confronted
him to find out what he was up to, so he told them it was a powerful creature they could use to destroy the humans. If they think he's doing all this for
the good of their cause, they're more likely to trust him and go along with it.
Magus is very simliar in personality and circumstances to that of Vegeta from DBZ. Neither one of them is inherently evil or bad. Both got caught up in a lot
of BS beyond their control at young ages. Both lost their parents at young ages and were guided, at least in part, by a darker force. Both lost their homes and
families as a result of some big catastrophe. Both of them plotted and put up a front until what they felt was the right time, at which point, they struck and
tried to exact revenge on the main cause of their misery.
"Oh, how dreadful. Say, can you hear that? It's the sound of the Reaper..."
Sorry, I'd say what he did to Cyrus and Glenn was pretty cold blooded and evil, and it's pretty hard not to call what he did to Cyrus anything other
than Murder.
Corsair, you didn't get a chance to see how that confrontation occurred in the first place or the consequences surrounding it... Killing someone in self
defense is not murder, and how did the Masamune break in the first place? Magus doesn't just go around destroying people for no reason. Notice how if he
wanted to, he probably could have destroyed his mother, schala(obviously he wouldn't since he wanted to save her, or at least we're led to believe
this), the gurus, and lots of other people that would have helped him to avoid what happened to Zeal, but he didn't. He saw that Lavos was the direct cause
of his problems, and he waited and waited until Lavos showed up. If I were in his shoes, I would have just taken out my mother. No mother trying to pursue
Lavos's power = no destruction of Zeal. Of course, I'd probably be viewed as some cold-blooded %#%*%!+ as a result, but that would honestly be the best
option.
What he did to Glenn??? He turned him into a frog, whoopty-doo. It gave him extra agility. Cyrus probably struck first. Even if he didn't, he had a chance
to escape, but instead he lunged at Magus with his last breath. We know how strong Magus is, so he could have easily just disposed of Cyrus in seconds. But
what did he do? He waited until he was threatened by a foolish man who was hanging onto life by a tiny thread... In the words of Magus himself, "Play with
fire, and you get burned." End of story.
"Oh, how dreadful. Say, can you hear that? It's the sound of the Reaper..."
Magus 86 wrote:
Magus is very simliar in personality and circumstances to that of Vegeta from DBZ. Neither one of them is inherently evil or bad. Both got caught up in a lot
of BS beyond their control at young ages. Both lost their parents at young ages and were guided, at least in part, by a darker force. Both lost their homes
and families as a result of some big catastrophe. Both of them plotted and put up a front until what they felt was the right time, at which point, they
struck and tried to exact revenge on the main cause of their misery.
Magus 86 said:
"Magus is very simliar in personality and circumstances to that of Vegeta from DBZ. Neither one of them is inherently evil or bad. Both got caught up in a
lot of BS beyond their control at young ages. Both lost their parents at young ages and were guided, at least in part, by a darker force. Both lost their homes
and families as a result of some big catastrophe. Both of them plotted and put up a front until what they felt was the right time, at which point, they struck
and tried to exact revenge on the main cause of their misery."
I was thinking the same thing! thats funny.
But the way I see it he is the king of mystics cuz it was his best option. Why just be some regular dude in this new era, when in his era he was in line to
ascend to the throne? And he killed Cyrus because it was what the king of mystics would have been expected to to,. especially when Cyrus seemed to me to be
Guardia's greatest threat to the Mystics. It also seems Cyrus was trying to get the masamune to gain an advantage/ way of killing Magus; which after all,
he did want to do to protect his people. Magus was pretty much stuck in the middle ages so he did what he had to do in his position. As the king of mystics,
(the mystics obviously having a grudge against humanity from the get-go) Magus had to play his part in the anti-human cause of the mystics.
At the end of the day, Magus is just a victim of circumstances trying to sort out his messed up life and achieve what he yearns for. Revenge, above all, and to
return to what he had before Lavos destroyed pretty much all that mattered to him.